We are now in the income phase of portfolio management, partially withdrawing each month from the available settled cash from earned dividends *only* (leaving all IRA positions and principal untouched, except for trading activity)!
I have enabled reinvestment of dividends for shares held at Computershare ($PGH, $PGF.CA or PGF.TO) where I reinvest shares at 95% of the share price and I am no longer taking part in their discounted OCP allowing me to purchase additional shares at 95% of the share price. This is a ‘lottery play’ on a Canadian oil stock. I have decided that all dividends paying less than $100 per quarter will be DRIPped (BGCP, DRAD, O, PGF.CA, PGH). All other dividends in our accounts will not be DRIPped, but will be added to the available cash. Part of the cash in our accounts will be withdrawn each month on an ‘as needed’ basis. The available withdrawal amounts are shown on the Expected Dividends Part (2 and/or 3) spreadsheet, published weekly on Saturdays.
Projected checkbook balance for the end of the current month should now be ~$5,000.00 (+-$1,000.00) but if it’s not within that range of 20% or so then the withdrawal amount(s) will need to be adjusted. Also, the next two month’s projected EOM balance will also be used to determine if adjustments are necessary. This will provide a greater ‘margin of safety’ and hopefully avoid any unpleasantness. I think planning up to 3 months in advance should provide a reasonable level of financial security, all things considered.
- Monthly withdrawals from available (i.e.; settled) cash will be taken.
- Monthly withdrawals are subject to a minimum withdrawal of $10.00 (imposed by fidelity).
- Withdrawal amounts were increased this month due to our large summer expenditures.
- In case our checkbook balance exceeds above limits, then a deposit to our joint account will instead be made.
- In this case, of course that also means there would be no withdrawals that month.
- Withdrawals were changed from weekly to monthly on 6/2, with the first monthly withdrawal on 7/1/15.
- Monthly withdrawals will only be scheduled on the first of each month on an ‘as-needed’ basis.
- Starting 8/1/15, ALL available cash will be withdrawn from each account until checkbook balance is satisfactory.
So, based on the amount of the checkbook balance at the end of the previous month would determine whether or not I should make a withdrawal on the first of this month. If no withdrawal is warranted, then I will base it on the checkbook balance at the end of the current month. If no withdrawal is warranted, then I will base it on the checkbook balance at the end of the following month. This procedure will also determine if I should make a deposit instead. This could (and did, and probably will) change…
In my IRA account, I will withdraw 236.05% of the average monthly dividends this month, or $1,993.12, with 10% of that amount ($199.31) withheld for federal taxes, leaving $1,793.81 for a net deposit. This is a sustainable amount, which still allows for accumulation of cash in the account to either withdraw or reinvest.
In my wife’s IRA account, I will withdraw 249.11% of the average monthly dividends this month, or $2,122.17, with 10% of that amount ($212.21) withheld for federal taxes, leaving $1,909.96 for a net deposit. This is a sustainable amount, which still allows for accumulation of cash in the account to either withdraw or reinvest.
In our joint brokerage account, I will withdraw 166.10% of the average monthly dividends this month, or $288.95 from the account. This is a sustainable amount, which still allows for accumulation of cash in the account to either withdraw or reinvest.
In my Roth IRA account, I will withdraw 195.01% of the average monthly dividends this month, or $396.51 for a net deposit. This is a sustainable amount, which still allows for accumulation of cash in the account to either withdraw or reinvest.
In my wife’s Roth IRA account, I will withdraw 177.69% of the average monthly dividends this month, or $861.22 for a net deposit. This is a sustainable amount, which still allows for accumulation of cash in the account to either withdraw or reinvest.
Any cash left in the accounts will be allowed to accrue for any upcoming stock purchases, but I plan on keeping an amount equal to 1 month of withdrawals available in each account to cover any upcoming withdrawals. The cash balance of each account and the amount available to invest (after deducting for withdrawals at current withdrawal rates) are shown on the Equal Weight spreadsheet. The available withdrawal amounts are shown on the Expected Dividends Part 3 spreadsheet, published weekly on Saturdays. Withdrawals will only be taken as needed. This is subject to change as necessary.
This is not a permanent solution, however. I am only doing this until some of our monthly expenses are paid off, such as the furniture we bought when we moved here, and any other monthly expense that might be eliminated or reduced. I should probably mention that all loans with the exception of my 401k loans are/were at 0% interest, because I don’t like to pay interest, I just like getting paid interest (i.e.; dividends!). My 401k loan re-payments were simply added to my 401k balance, although I did pay ~3.25% premium for the privilege.
This is the YTD withdrawal history (as of the last posting);
Expected Dividends part 3
Expected Dividends part 4
I rolled over my 401k into my IRA last year since the final 401k loan was paid off (I bought some more dividend stocks!). BTW, I do not recommend taking out any loans from your 401k. You contribute to it with either before-tax or after-tax money. I chose after-tax for my weekly contributions. Then I took out the loans. Each payment is after-tax, so in effect I was taxed twice on those loans! Not a good deal. Add to that the fact that I was fired in 2001 and had to withdraw the entire amount to make house payments, etc., and was taxed and also penalized for early withdrawal, I was doubly, and then triply penalized. I was re-hired in 2003, and maxed-out my contributions, but soon needed to take the loans. That was a huge mistake, but it was just one of many. So, avoid taking any loans or withdrawing early from your 401k at all costs!
When enough of a ‘surplus’ (i.e.; ~$5,000.00) has been accumulated in our checking account, the withdrawal amounts will be reduced starting with the IRAs (to reduce our tax burden). I foresee that the withdrawals from our IRAs might be just about completely eliminated sometime in 2015 or 2016. Then, we need to plan for my wife’s first RMD withdrawal in December of 2017, which should be totally covered by dividends for *at least* the first few years (she also has a TSA, which is not tracked as a part of the #HYHRD portfolio). My RMDs will start in 2024 and dividends will also totally cover the RMDs for *at least* the first several years.
Of course, we’ll still have our regular recurring monthly charges that will need to be paid, but the withdrawals from the IRAs and individual brokerages should cover that, and we are already taxed on anything that we make in our individual brokerage accounts.
This plan will provide the necessary augmentation of social security to allow us to live quite comfortably on a minimum income.
We met with our tax advisor in mid-2014 and went over this plan. It got a glowing review. The tax advisor is happy, I’m happy, and (most importantly!) my wife is happy. I aim to keep it that way.
On 12/18/14, I performed a calculation of how long my will my money last with systematic withdrawals on the Mutual of Omaha website.
Here are my conservative assumptions (Current portfolio balance of $225,000, proposed monthly withdrawal amount of $1,300.00, annual withdrawal increases of 1.5%, annual before-tax return of 12%, Federal marginal tax bracket 15%, desired amortization schedule monthly);
(Current portfolio balance of $225,000 is actually higher, and doesn’t account for my wife’s TSA. Proposed monthly withdrawal amount of $1,300 is high, and is currently scheduled at $1,000 (except for January & February). Annual withdrawal increases of 1.5% seems about right, but is not scheduled at this time. Annual before-tax return of 12% is about right. Federal marginal tax bracket 15% is about right. Desired amortization schedule of monthly directly coincides with monthly withdrawals.)
Here are the results;
As you can see, our portfolio should more than quintuple in 30 years according to these results, even after withdrawals. I believe the rate of increase is actually under-estimated, and the portfolio should increase at a much higher rate.
Here’s the withdrawals:
The first 15 months;
and the next series of withdrawals shows a slight increase in beginning balance, annual interest, taxes, withdrawal amounts, and ending balance.
…and lots of withdrawals in between, from 33-342 months (not shown), which all show a slight increase in beginning balance, annual interest, taxes, withdrawal amounts, and ending balance.
So, after 30 years (the maximum shown on the website) of these monthly withdrawals, $225,000 turns into more than 1.2 million dollars. What am I going to do with all that money when I’m 90? Well, there are a couple of things on my list; an Excalibur Cabriolet for one thing. Gifts to the kids is another. I hope I don’t start watching Televangelists or voting for the GOP (or the Democrats, or Libertarians)!
So, how are we really doing? This will show the most recently available EOM balances for our retirement accounts (My wife’s TSA reports once a quarter).
But, as I always say; “Hindsight is 20/20, foresight not so much.”