#HYHRD: The income phase of The #Plan #UPDATE for April, 2018



I’m Pat Rosenheim, a.k.a. the PandA Trader.

We are now in the income phase of portfolio management, partially (or totally) withdrawing each month from the available settled cash from earned dividends *only* (leaving all positions and principal untouched, except for trading activity)!

Starting in March, 2018; All accounts will be moved and consolidated at Merrill Edge. I am currently accumulating cash in the accounts.

Part of the cash in our Roth IRA accounts will be withdrawn each month on an ‘as needed’ basis. The available withdrawal amounts are shown on the cash tab on our Google spreadsheet.

Projected checkbook balance(s) for the end of the current month should now be at least $5,000.00 – $10,000.00 but if it’s not within that range then the dividend reinvestment and withdrawals will need to be adjusted. Also, the next few month’s projected EOM balance will also be used to determine if adjustments are necessary. This will provide a greater ‘margin of safety’ and hopefully avoid any unpleasantness. I think planning up to 3 or 4 months in advance should provide a reasonable level of financial security, all things considered.

  • Monthly withdrawals from available (i.e.; settled) cash will be taken.
  • Monthly withdrawals from available (i.e.; settled) cash in the Robinhood account have been taken as shown.
  • Monthly withdrawals will only be scheduled after the end of each month or on an ‘as-needed’ basis (except Robinhood).
  • For October, 2017 through February, 2018 there were no withdrawals from any accounts as the checking account had a sufficient balance (except Robinhood).

So, based on the amount of the checkbook balance at the end of the previous month would determine whether or not I should make a withdrawal this month. If no withdrawal is warranted, then I will base it on the checkbook balance at the end of the current month. If no withdrawal is warranted, then I will base it on the checkbook balance at the end of the following month, etc. This procedure will also determine if I should make a deposit to the taxable account instead. <Whew!> This could (and did, and probably will again) change…

In our PandA account, I plan to withdraw $0.00 from the account.

In my RothP account, I plan to withdraw $0.00 from the account.

In my wife’s RothA account, I plan to withdraw $0.00 from the account.

In my IRAP account, I plan to withdraw $0.00 from the account.

Any cash left in the accounts will be allowed to accrue for any upcoming stock purchases and/or withdrawals. The cash balance of each account and the amount available to invest are shown on the cash spreadsheet. The withdrawal amounts are also shown. Withdrawals will be taken monthly as needed. This is subject to change as necessary.

This is the cash balance sheet and YTD withdrawal history (as of this posting);

Withdrawals are calculated after adding the end of the month dividends & interest, and before adding any of the following month’s dividends. Also, calculations based on current balances are shown for next month, but will change due to investing, dividend income, cash transfers, etc.


We have a plan for my wife’s RMD withdrawals from her TSA on November 15th of each year, and is automatically withdrawn with 50% withheld for Federal Income Taxes.

We might need to plan for my first RMD withdrawal in April of 2025, which should be totally covered by dividends for *at least* the first few years. But, if I convert 1/6 of my remaining IRA each year starting in January of 2018, then the balance at the end of the year before my RMDs are scheduled to start will be $0.00, eliminating the need for any RMDs! There will not be any RMDs for my wife’s IRA (except automatically each November 15th for her TSA!) because I totally converted her IRA holdings to her Roth IRA in 2016.

Of course, we’ll still have our regular recurring monthly charges that will need to be paid, but the withdrawals from the Roth IRAs and individual brokerages should cover that, and we are already taxed on anything that we make in our individual brokerage accounts.

UPDATE: March 24th, 2017 Partial conversion to my Roth IRA has been initiated on 3/24/17 from my IRA account. I am converting 60 shares of ORC, which is approximately 1/7th of the total balance. I also purchased 85 shares of ORC so I am now holding 145 shares in that Roth IRA account at Fidelity. Eventually, the remaining shares of ORC will then be transferred to Capital One Investing (ShareBuilder).

  • CLM, CRF, DNP, ECC, FFC, FLC, GOF, GUT, MAV, MHI, OXLC, PFD, PFO, PHK, PHT, PMF, PML, PMX, & SAR are DTC discount eligible for DRIP in Fidelity accounts because they may reinvest at a discount!

This plan will provide the necessary augmentation of social security to allow us to live quite comfortably on a minimum income.

We met with our tax advisor in mid-2014 and went over this plan. It got a glowing review. The tax advisor is happy, I’m happy, and (most importantly!) my wife is happy. I aim to keep it that way.

But, as I always say; “Hindsight is 20/20, foresight not so much.”



I’m not telling anyone to buy anything or giving anyone any advice, because that’s illegal. You see, I have no letters after my name, like RIA, CFA, etc. I SIMPLY DO NOT GIVE ADVICE. I only tell (and show!) what I do. You, like me, are all alone in this.

And remember, always do your own due diligence!

panda_wildePat Rosenheim
(PandA Trader)
High Yield, High Return Dividend



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